Comments on: Oppose the Idaho Wolf Hunt http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/ The Alternative Consumer provides product reviews, eco news and green info to the next wave of smart consumers. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:47:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Save Wolves http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/comment-page-7/#comment-505798 Save Wolves Sun, 26 Jun 2011 19:49:26 +0000 http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/#comment-505798 Wolves are not killing-machines. Wolves kill simply just to eat and survive! Maybe the killing-machines are us humans, why do we hunt for sport? Entertainment? Why do you think killing something is entertaining? Wolves do not kill animals for entertainment, also humans HAVE NO RIGHT to control a population. Wolves do not kill livestock because its entertaining! Wolves may only do that because the hunters take all the elk away, so the wolves are forced to eat the livestock. Wolves do not attack humans either, that is RARE! Wolves are not demons, wolves are native to the world, everything is native to the world. And maybe the deer that are disapeering are being hunted by humans, so shut up about its ALL THE WOLVES fault. Maybe its just are own. Also Mike Molter shut up about wolves messing up peoples lives. How about not the wolves move, WHAT IF YOU STUPID HUMANS MOVE! Wolves were there first. Save the wolves! Wolves are not killing-machines. Wolves kill simply just to eat and survive! Maybe the killing-machines are us humans, why do we hunt for sport? Entertainment? Why do you think killing something is entertaining? Wolves do not kill animals for entertainment, also humans HAVE NO RIGHT to control a population. Wolves do not kill livestock because its entertaining! Wolves may only do that because the hunters take all the elk away, so the wolves are forced to eat the livestock. Wolves do not attack humans either, that is RARE! Wolves are not demons, wolves are native to the world, everything is native to the world. And maybe the deer that are disapeering are being hunted by humans, so shut up about its ALL THE WOLVES fault. Maybe its just are own. Also Mike Molter shut up about wolves messing up peoples lives. How about not the wolves move, WHAT IF YOU STUPID HUMANS MOVE! Wolves were there first. Save the wolves!

]]> By: Elkhunter http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/comment-page-7/#comment-474058 Elkhunter Fri, 29 Oct 2010 19:05:48 +0000 http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/#comment-474058 I was up elk hunting last week and did not hear a single wolf as I heard many last year. The reason was not endangered or over managed, they just moved on because there was nothing to eat left in the valley. But as Butch says - if you or your property are endangered by wolves- protect yourself and your property and then let thr feds figure it out. I was up elk hunting last week and did not hear a single wolf as I heard many last year. The reason was not endangered or over managed, they just moved on because there was nothing to eat left in the valley. But as Butch says – if you or your property are endangered by wolves- protect yourself and your property and then let thr feds figure it out.

]]> By: Mike Molter http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/comment-page-7/#comment-465530 Mike Molter Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:29:55 +0000 http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/#comment-465530 I own a cabin in I daho and have hunted, fished, hiked, rafted, skiied...basically ejoyed all the wonderful outdoor activities that Idaho has to offer. It is a beautiful state and all the rest of the country would benefit by spending some time there. The "reintroduction" of the wolf is a misnomer. The species introduced into Idaho is not and has never been native to the area. it is the much larger and much more social Canadian Timber Wolf. The wolf population has now exceeded the goals set at the time of the "reintroduction." I personally have witnessed the destruction of whole herds of deer. Mule deer are becoming extinct, moose that were common in our area, east central Idaho are now nearly gone. I have not seen a moose in about 3 years. And the elk herd have been decimated as well. When my wife and I were there the first of August, we had to help drive some of our neighbors cattle back up the road as they were nearly on the highway after having been chased by wolves. One calf was dead, one cow was crazed and couln't be handled. It's real people. I understand the "Dances with Wolves" mentality. The romance of the lone wolf howling on a mountain side. But we are way past that. The wolves are not native, they are destroying native species and desrupting peoples lives as well as killing domestic animals. The wolves are not endangerd. They need to be hunted and managed. They would not be welcome in New York, Kansas, or California...why not let Idaho run Idaho? I own a cabin in I daho and have hunted, fished, hiked, rafted, skiied…basically ejoyed all the wonderful outdoor activities that Idaho has to offer. It is a beautiful state and all the rest of the country would benefit by spending some time there. The “reintroduction” of the wolf is a misnomer. The species introduced into Idaho is not and has never been native to the area. it is the much larger and much more social Canadian Timber Wolf. The wolf population has now exceeded the goals set at the time of the “reintroduction.” I personally have witnessed the destruction of whole herds of deer. Mule deer are becoming extinct, moose that were common in our area, east central Idaho are now nearly gone. I have not seen a moose in about 3 years. And the elk herd have been decimated as well. When my wife and I were there the first of August, we had to help drive some of our neighbors cattle back up the road as they were nearly on the highway after having been chased by wolves. One calf was dead, one cow was crazed and couln’t be handled. It’s real people.
I understand the “Dances with Wolves” mentality. The romance of the lone wolf howling on a mountain side. But we are way past that.
The wolves are not native, they are destroying native species and desrupting peoples lives as well as killing domestic animals. The wolves are not endangerd. They need to be hunted and managed. They would not be welcome in New York, Kansas, or California…why not let Idaho run Idaho?

]]> By: rd http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/comment-page-7/#comment-464271 rd Fri, 06 Aug 2010 12:47:58 +0000 http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/#comment-464271 Another legal chapter in this ugly battle. States lose the right to manage wolf populations. Wolves put one in the win column: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38583831/ns/us_news-environment/ Another legal chapter in this ugly battle. States lose the right to manage wolf populations. Wolves put one in the win column:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38583831/ns/us_news-environment/

]]> By: Elkhunter http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/comment-page-7/#comment-463982 Elkhunter Sun, 01 Aug 2010 19:00:40 +0000 http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/#comment-463982 The Idaho Fish and Game Commission will meet Monday, August 16, in Idaho Falls. Commissioners will consider proposed season dates, harvest limits and methods of take on gray wolves The Idaho Fish and Game Commission will meet Monday, August 16, in Idaho Falls.

Commissioners will consider proposed season dates, harvest limits and methods of take on gray wolves

]]> By: Tim Griffith http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/comment-page-7/#comment-432085 Tim Griffith Sun, 30 May 2010 22:19:35 +0000 http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/#comment-432085 Anyone that thinks the "gray wolves" were EVER endangered has been duped by the misinformation that was spread about wolves. Those lies were spread so the Feds could bring in a NON-NATIVE species of wolf. Why? So "folks" could have a chance a seeing those "marvelous creatures" and hear their howling without having to go to much trouble or expense, that's why. It was a tourism scheme from start to finish and the business is doing quite well. Your tax dollars paid for it. This misguided idea was, at best, just well intended foolishness or possibly an outright criminal enterprise. Its hard to say for sure. Most likely a blend of both as seems nearly anything the Feds get into. The feds broke plenty of laws as well as their own regulations to bring those non-native wolves to America. Lets be clear, it was NOT a "reintroduction program" at all. They brought a non-native species here and created an ecological disaster within a year or two of getting it underway. That is what the Canadian Timber Wolf INTRODUCTION program has become, a disaster! It is unlikely that they can be exterminated now by any/all combination of techniques discussed herein. If the wolves were moved to the UNPROTECTED list (like coyotes) they would still be there 50 years from now just like the coyote. A predator that is as capable as the Canadian Timber Wolf needs no help from man. With every man's hand turned against them they might be able to be brought under control. Short of that kind of effort only the roller-coaster cycle of disease will do the job. Even then they are here to stay. The real question is how bad will the situation have to get before people are willing to "do the right thing" about the wolves. The Canadian Timber Wolf should never have been brought to the lower 48. Now that they ARE here, the truly native Rocky Mt. Gray Wolf really is threatened. The two species can not exist together in peace and harmony. The Canadian Timber Wolf is the superior animal by far. Guess which species will soon be extinct!?! The same one all this nonsense was supposed to "save" in the first place, that's which one! If you [reader] don't understand the truths I just wrote here then there is a lot about wolves that YOU don't know. Anyone that thinks the “gray wolves” were EVER endangered has been duped by the misinformation that was spread about wolves. Those lies were spread so the Feds could bring in a NON-NATIVE species of wolf. Why? So “folks” could have a chance a seeing those “marvelous creatures” and hear their howling without having to go to much trouble or expense, that’s why. It was a tourism scheme from start to finish and the business is doing quite well. Your tax dollars paid for it.
This misguided idea was, at best, just well intended foolishness or possibly an outright criminal enterprise. Its hard to say for sure. Most likely a blend of both as seems nearly anything the Feds get into.
The feds broke plenty of laws as well as their own regulations to bring those non-native wolves to America. Lets be clear, it was NOT a “reintroduction program” at all. They brought a non-native species here and created an ecological disaster within a year or two of getting it underway. That is what the Canadian Timber Wolf INTRODUCTION program has become, a disaster!
It is unlikely that they can be exterminated now by any/all combination of techniques discussed herein. If the wolves were moved to the UNPROTECTED list (like coyotes) they would still be there 50 years from now just like the coyote. A predator that is as capable as the Canadian Timber Wolf needs no help from man. With every man’s hand turned against them they might be able to be brought under control. Short of that kind of effort only the roller-coaster cycle of disease will do the job. Even then they are here to stay. The real question is how bad will the situation have to get before people are willing to “do the right thing” about the wolves.
The Canadian Timber Wolf should never have been brought to the lower 48. Now that they ARE here, the truly native Rocky Mt. Gray Wolf really is threatened. The two species can not exist together in peace and harmony. The Canadian Timber Wolf is the superior animal by far. Guess which species will soon be extinct!?! The same one all this nonsense was supposed to “save” in the first place, that’s which one!
If you [reader] don’t understand the truths I just wrote here then there is a lot about wolves that YOU don’t know.

]]> By: Elkhunter http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/comment-page-7/#comment-419727 Elkhunter Mon, 10 May 2010 20:56:44 +0000 http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/#comment-419727 The wolf hunt has been announced for 2010, looks like another good year for hunters!! They might have a 2 tag limit per hunter. The wolf hunt has been announced for 2010, looks like another good year for hunters!! They might have a 2 tag limit per hunter.

]]> By: Elkhunter http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/comment-page-7/#comment-411203 Elkhunter Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:40:37 +0000 http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/#comment-411203 188 taken for 2009, lets see what they set for limits for 2010.To maintain a controllable number because of births this year, I assume there will be another hunt this fall. It sure has gotten very quite here, the wolves are off the radar for now but it will liven up when the new hunt is announced. I love hearing what all sides have to say, wheather it makes sense or not. So all you blissful people, we await your thoughts. Signed: One person, one opinion, one Idahoan, one hunter, and one trophy. 188 taken for 2009, lets see what they set for limits for 2010.To maintain a controllable number because of births this year, I assume there will be another hunt this fall. It sure has gotten very quite here, the wolves are off the radar for now but it will liven up when the new hunt is announced. I love hearing what all sides have to say, wheather it makes sense or not. So all you blissful people, we await your thoughts.

Signed: One person, one opinion, one Idahoan, one hunter, and one trophy.

]]> By: Ih8crak http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/comment-page-7/#comment-383214 Ih8crak Wed, 17 Mar 2010 13:19:01 +0000 http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/#comment-383214 Hey rd, thanks for the link to the Statesman article. I really enjoyed the comments the readers made. Hey rd, thanks for the link to the Statesman article. I really enjoyed the comments the readers made.

]]> By: Ih8crak http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/comment-page-7/#comment-383209 Ih8crak Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:57:41 +0000 http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/01/20/oppose-the-idaho-wolf-hunt/#comment-383209 Noooooo, wolves don't eat people.... Did you guys see this story? I like how they say it's the first wolf kill in recent times, "the first known fatal wolf attack in the U.S. in modern times", and then mention another one in the middle of the article. "The only known previous fatal wolf attack in North America over the last 100 years occurred in 2005, when a young geology student was attacked and partially eaten by a pack of wolves in northern Saskatchewan." Three paragraphs later it's back to denial, "But we don't have any other case on hand that we're aware of where someone was actually killed by a wolf." Gotta love the lib media, if people die after taking enough crack to kill ten elephants and then the cops have to Taze them after they have actively resisted arrest for 15 minutes, it was the Taser that killed the crackhead. Had nothing to do with the crack despite the common knowledge crack kills and tens of thousands of donut eating cops have been tazed while certifying to carry tasers with no known side effects. If a body is found chewed up surrounded by wolf tracks, there was no video so the wolves didn't do it because they've never killed anyone before. http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-wolf-attack13-2010mar13,0,4711796.story Noooooo, wolves don’t eat people…. Did you guys see this story? I like how they say it’s the first wolf kill in recent times, “the first known fatal wolf attack in the U.S. in modern times”, and then mention another one in the middle of the article. “The only known previous fatal wolf attack in North America over the last 100 years occurred in 2005, when a young geology student was attacked and partially eaten by a pack of wolves in northern Saskatchewan.” Three paragraphs later it’s back to denial, “But we don’t have any other case on hand that we’re aware of where someone was actually killed by a wolf.”

Gotta love the lib media, if people die after taking enough crack to kill ten elephants and then the cops have to Taze them after they have actively resisted arrest for 15 minutes, it was the Taser that killed the crackhead. Had nothing to do with the crack despite the common knowledge crack kills and tens of thousands of donut eating cops have been tazed while certifying to carry tasers with no known side effects.

If a body is found chewed up surrounded by wolf tracks, there was no video so the wolves didn’t do it because they’ve never killed anyone before.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-na-wolf-attack13-2010mar13,0,4711796.story

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