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	<title>Comments on: Heat Surge fireplace &#8211; what&#8217;s up with that?</title>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
		<link>http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/12/09/heat-surge-fireplace-whats-up-with-that/comment-page-13/#comment-340196</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, I&#039;m an idiot.  good things you hep&#039; me figure it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, I&#8217;m an idiot.  good things you hep&#8217; me figure it out.</p>
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		<title>By: GOOBER JONES</title>
		<link>http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/12/09/heat-surge-fireplace-whats-up-with-that/comment-page-13/#comment-340104</link>
		<dc:creator>GOOBER JONES</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GOT ME ONE IN MY TRAILER.  IT GOT SOO MUCH HEAT THAT I CAN COOK ME CUP OF SOUP ON IT.  MY COUSIN JETHRO HAD ONE THAT WAS BAD.  HE NEAR FROZE TO DEATH CUZ THEY TURNDOFF THE PROPANE FOR NOT PAYING THE BILL.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GOT ME ONE IN MY TRAILER.  IT GOT SOO MUCH HEAT THAT I CAN COOK ME CUP OF SOUP ON IT.  MY COUSIN JETHRO HAD ONE THAT WAS BAD.  HE NEAR FROZE TO DEATH CUZ THEY TURNDOFF THE PROPANE FOR NOT PAYING THE BILL.</p>
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		<title>By: frances</title>
		<link>http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/12/09/heat-surge-fireplace-whats-up-with-that/comment-page-13/#comment-339954</link>
		<dc:creator>frances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 05:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i bought one it takes forever to heat and the flame is out</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i bought one it takes forever to heat and the flame is out</p>
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		<title>By: Letter K</title>
		<link>http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/12/09/heat-surge-fireplace-whats-up-with-that/comment-page-13/#comment-339845</link>
		<dc:creator>Letter K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred -  

You are ignorant.  1500 watts of heat is 1500 watts of heat.

As for the trailer comment it was a joke!  But truth be it, if you buy a  trailer, the value goes down when you drive if off the lot.  Let&#039;s be realistic - what home do you know of that goes down in value over time and becomes worthless.  Only two, a home in Detroit or a trailer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred &#8211;  </p>
<p>You are ignorant.  1500 watts of heat is 1500 watts of heat.</p>
<p>As for the trailer comment it was a joke!  But truth be it, if you buy a  trailer, the value goes down when you drive if off the lot.  Let&#8217;s be realistic &#8211; what home do you know of that goes down in value over time and becomes worthless.  Only two, a home in Detroit or a trailer.</p>
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		<title>By: Letter K</title>
		<link>http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/12/09/heat-surge-fireplace-whats-up-with-that/comment-page-13/#comment-339842</link>
		<dc:creator>Letter K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To KENNETH BEAUCHAMP -

Try turning off the caps lock - it&#039;s a computer, not a typewritter.

Next, go to Google.com and search and read through the pages of this thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To KENNETH BEAUCHAMP -</p>
<p>Try turning off the caps lock &#8211; it&#8217;s a computer, not a typewritter.</p>
<p>Next, go to Google.com and search and read through the pages of this thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Guri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comrade Yuri, be patient.  The VODKA is on the way.  Will  be on next Soyuz flight.

The WORST thing about this product and the ads and the infomercials IS the “Amish” part.  I have an elderly neighbor who has one of these and says, “I can’t believe I bought one of these things” every time I go to his house.  The cabinet is ‘OK’ but it’s certainly not hand-made like the infomercial implies by showing people using hand tools.

It’s a cheap heater with an over-priced wooden cabinet.  It’s a 1500 watt electric heater with a fan and a lighted picture of a fire.  You can buy the same thing at Home Depot, Lowes or Wal-Mart.  There’s NOTHING MIRIACLE about it.  Maybe they’ll start selling Miracle light bulbs or Miracle toasters and say they’re “Amish Built” and some people would wait on hold to buy them too. 

I just saw the infomercial on The Travel Channel and paid attention with a critical eye.  I don’t know who the “Amish” people are who appear in that commercial, but they are ALL FAKING that they are working on those cabinets.  There are NO wood shavings coming off the planes and chisels and I think I saw one woman pushing a box plane BACKWARDS.  Also, there are no unfinished cabinets and none that are partially assembled.

If they showed an actual manufacturing location that employed Amish or even Americans, then I might see a reason for SOME people to buy one.  It just seems like they’ve found some way to say, “Amish Built Cabinets” that’s just legal enough so they don’t get in trouble.  I wonder what I would have to do to become “Amish” enough to put that label on things I build.

But the bottom line is that they are sucking in people by using the “Amish” name.  I wonder if they picked “Amish” because the Amish are passive and wouldn’t complain about their name being used for this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comrade Yuri, be patient.  The VODKA is on the way.  Will  be on next Soyuz flight.</p>
<p>The WORST thing about this product and the ads and the infomercials IS the “Amish” part.  I have an elderly neighbor who has one of these and says, “I can’t believe I bought one of these things” every time I go to his house.  The cabinet is ‘OK’ but it’s certainly not hand-made like the infomercial implies by showing people using hand tools.</p>
<p>It’s a cheap heater with an over-priced wooden cabinet.  It’s a 1500 watt electric heater with a fan and a lighted picture of a fire.  You can buy the same thing at Home Depot, Lowes or Wal-Mart.  There’s NOTHING MIRIACLE about it.  Maybe they’ll start selling Miracle light bulbs or Miracle toasters and say they’re “Amish Built” and some people would wait on hold to buy them too. </p>
<p>I just saw the infomercial on The Travel Channel and paid attention with a critical eye.  I don’t know who the “Amish” people are who appear in that commercial, but they are ALL FAKING that they are working on those cabinets.  There are NO wood shavings coming off the planes and chisels and I think I saw one woman pushing a box plane BACKWARDS.  Also, there are no unfinished cabinets and none that are partially assembled.</p>
<p>If they showed an actual manufacturing location that employed Amish or even Americans, then I might see a reason for SOME people to buy one.  It just seems like they’ve found some way to say, “Amish Built Cabinets” that’s just legal enough so they don’t get in trouble.  I wonder what I would have to do to become “Amish” enough to put that label on things I build.</p>
<p>But the bottom line is that they are sucking in people by using the “Amish” name.  I wonder if they picked “Amish” because the Amish are passive and wouldn’t complain about their name being used for this.</p>
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		<title>By: Pinerider</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pinerider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone remember the phrase &quot;You get what you pay for&quot; relating back to when quality actually meant something??? Well folks those days have been gone for a long,long,time. The only words of wisdom I can give you is &quot;Don&#039;t buy anything until you can hold it in your hand&quot; Infomercials became popular because people like Heat Surge and Eztenze realized that there are a lot of really stupid people out there looking for a &quot;magic pill&quot; (or in this case, a magic heater) to solve all their troubles if they throw money at it. More advice,,go to Home Depot and buy your heater. When and if it stops working, they&#039;ll fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone remember the phrase &#8220;You get what you pay for&#8221; relating back to when quality actually meant something??? Well folks those days have been gone for a long,long,time. The only words of wisdom I can give you is &#8220;Don&#8217;t buy anything until you can hold it in your hand&#8221; Infomercials became popular because people like Heat Surge and Eztenze realized that there are a lot of really stupid people out there looking for a &#8220;magic pill&#8221; (or in this case, a magic heater) to solve all their troubles if they throw money at it. More advice,,go to Home Depot and buy your heater. When and if it stops working, they&#8217;ll fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several points about this product.

Infomercial is very misleading.  Amish quality... Reduce heating bills.  Super miracle.  

The heater itself is probably just fine.  The question becomes, are you willing to pay $250 for decoration of a $50 heater.

Remember folks, nothing breaks physics here.  Conservation of energy means &quot;enery in = energy out&quot;  Give 1500W, get 1500W (assuming perfect efficiency)

Only an electronic timer / thermostat can save power.  It can turn off during work days / 9-5, lower the temp from 1am - 7am...   

Bottom line, $300 Good-looking Heater that you&#039;re not likely to be able to service after the warranty period of 1 year.

You decide!

@YURI - best comment of thread, almost a haiku.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several points about this product.</p>
<p>Infomercial is very misleading.  Amish quality&#8230; Reduce heating bills.  Super miracle.  </p>
<p>The heater itself is probably just fine.  The question becomes, are you willing to pay $250 for decoration of a $50 heater.</p>
<p>Remember folks, nothing breaks physics here.  Conservation of energy means &#8220;enery in = energy out&#8221;  Give 1500W, get 1500W (assuming perfect efficiency)</p>
<p>Only an electronic timer / thermostat can save power.  It can turn off during work days / 9-5, lower the temp from 1am &#8211; 7am&#8230;   </p>
<p>Bottom line, $300 Good-looking Heater that you&#8217;re not likely to be able to service after the warranty period of 1 year.</p>
<p>You decide!</p>
<p>@YURI &#8211; best comment of thread, almost a haiku.</p>
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		<title>By: KENNETH BEAUCHAMP</title>
		<link>http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/12/09/heat-surge-fireplace-whats-up-with-that/comment-page-13/#comment-339262</link>
		<dc:creator>KENNETH BEAUCHAMP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE LIGHT NO LONGER WORKS. HOW CAN I GET THE
 MECHANISM OUT OF THE WOODEN CABINET TO SEE IF I CAN REPAIR IT?
  ALSO: IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE THE HEAT COME STRAIGHT OUT RATHER THAN SO MUCH OVERHEAD?</description>
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 MECHANISM OUT OF THE WOODEN CABINET TO SEE IF I CAN REPAIR IT?<br />
  ALSO: IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE THE HEAT COME STRAIGHT OUT RATHER THAN SO MUCH OVERHEAD?</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://www.alternativeconsumer.com/2007/12/09/heat-surge-fireplace-whats-up-with-that/comment-page-13/#comment-338066</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even though it went against every ounce of common sense and better sense of judgment, I ended up ordering one of these heaters for my boyfriend for his birthday. It&#039;s still in the box. I was raised around Amish Country in Lancaster County. Unless the Amish have tossed out their entire code of ethics, I can&#039;t imagine how and where this partnership with the company that&#039;s producing the heaters developed. Over a beer at the local pub? Also, who is claiming the profit, as the Amish don&#039;t file taxes. Hmmmmm. Nevertheless, I think it&#039;s a part of human nature that when you want something bad enough,  you&#039;ll allow yourself the luxury of being duped—at least once in your life. Hope it works! And thanks in advance, Mr. Stoltzfus! I know how difficult it was for you and your crew to get those mantles done in the winter rush, as advertised in a March 2008 National Geographic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though it went against every ounce of common sense and better sense of judgment, I ended up ordering one of these heaters for my boyfriend for his birthday. It&#8217;s still in the box. I was raised around Amish Country in Lancaster County. Unless the Amish have tossed out their entire code of ethics, I can&#8217;t imagine how and where this partnership with the company that&#8217;s producing the heaters developed. Over a beer at the local pub? Also, who is claiming the profit, as the Amish don&#8217;t file taxes. Hmmmmm. Nevertheless, I think it&#8217;s a part of human nature that when you want something bad enough,  you&#8217;ll allow yourself the luxury of being duped—at least once in your life. Hope it works! And thanks in advance, Mr. Stoltzfus! I know how difficult it was for you and your crew to get those mantles done in the winter rush, as advertised in a March 2008 National Geographic!</p>
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